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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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hey guys it is ryan sprague from

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somewhere in the skies and i am very

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excited about today's interview i have

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been waiting a long time as most of you

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have for this film to come out it is

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probably one of my most favorite cases

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that i turn people to when it comes to

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the close encounter phenomenon within

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the subset of ufos and uh i'm just so

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honored to have the filmmaker randall

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nickerson here today to talk with us

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about his new film aerial phenomenon um

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as you guys know i am all about the

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human side of these possibly non-human

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experiences how it affects people how it

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impacts their lives and um this film

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embodies that uh more than i possibly

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could ever convey so i'm really excited

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to talk to randall today but before we

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do that let's bring our co-host in for

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tonight she is my co-pilot here on

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somewhere in the skies you know her you

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love her chrissy how you doing hey good

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how are you

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i'm good i now you just had randall on

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the debrief recently on rebelliously

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curious so i'm uh i'm excited to have

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you here too to maybe cover what you

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weren't able to cover over there yeah me

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too i love this story just as much as

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you do i think it's my favorite ufo

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story and i was just saying that to

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randall too so getting to ask him other

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questions i didn't get to ask before is

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fabulous

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i know that's the perks of being a

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co-host for like a million shows right

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yeah yeah

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well the other thing too is you know i

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even tweeted this out at one point i

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tried to remain very objective on the

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show when it comes to um you know

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promoting films or books or stuff like

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that i want to be journalistic i want to

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take that objective approach but it was

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so damn hard with this film because it

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blew me away

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um you guys

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were so

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nice to give us advanced screeners for a

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lot of the journalists and stuff out

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there and after watching it i just

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i haven't felt that way about a ufo

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documentary in a very long time so i'm

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gonna be fanboying out tonight i don't

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care what anyone says um but we got some

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i hope some challenging questions as

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well for randall so yeah i guess um

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let's bring him in what do you say yeah

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let's do it let's do it

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brenda welcome to somewhere in the skies

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hey guys um pleasure thank you for for

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having me

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of course of course i know you've been a

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busy man the film released uh gosh maybe

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a little less than 48 hours ago or so so

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i know um i know you're making the

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rounds right now so we do really

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appreciate you making the time to do

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no that's no problem i i appreciate it

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it's funny i have to look at the yeah

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there we go okay there we go sorry

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no no you're good man so

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yeah i i can't believe it was 48 hours

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ago it seems like two weeks to be honest

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oh i'm sure so i know i know this is

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all the uh what would you call it it's

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like it like it never happened

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even though i know that a lot of people

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out there have been waiting um and i'm

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sure you've heard that a million times

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but my god man like talk about worth the

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wait again like we're gonna go through

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some of the specifics of the film but uh

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i'm seeing the chatter all over twitter

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already and everyone's just like wow not

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what i expected um more than i ever

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could have expected and the chat's

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blowing up here too everyone's really

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i guess you know let's give the folks at

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case a little rundown now we have a case

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that happened in 1994 in ruiz zimbabwe

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where 62 schoolchildren

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claimed to have had a close encounter of

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something um i know they all have

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varying opinions on what that was what

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they each experienced individually

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but this has really become one of the

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quite essential cases that a lot of ufo

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researchers go to for

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credible witnesses

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documentation and even a harvard

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psychiatrist becoming attached to this

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so that's a lot to kind of that's that's

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kind of a very uh cliff notes version of

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this entire story but um

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before we really dive into what the kids

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saw and uh what was claimed to have been

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how did you get involved with this i

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have to ask i know you have um in the

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past talked about um experiences of your

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own if that's something you're willing

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to talk about that's great if not we

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understand but where did your interest

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in ufos really start and what got you

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hooked on the aerial

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when i saw what i saw so to speak and i

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don't i can't really talk too much about

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some things have happened in the last 24

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hours that i gotta just i can't talk

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about my story which is

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i don't want it anyway i want to talk

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about the film to be honest i mean ask

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any question i just there's certain

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things i can't talk about right now

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which is i can't even believe that but

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so ariel is uh

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i saw the footage back in 2000 oh sorry

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1995. at a meeting john mack was doing

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i just i saw those kids faces and i'm

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like they're telling the truth

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like instinctually i knew that and it

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2007 that i got the opportunity to um

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actually make a film about it

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and i tried to do it alone for five

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years i figured yeah i can do it

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brought on as a contractor chris stewart

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really and they taught me a lot of

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lessons uh as a filmmaker and um

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that's the basic story i mean it's we'll

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be here for weeks to be honest with you

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if i tell you everything

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wow what a journey for almost 15 years

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yeah well and like i said um

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worth the wait and and i don't say that

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lightly there this

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this space of ufos within yeah i know i

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know within the ufo sphere

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um documentaries tend to be a little

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iffy in this space i'm sure you know

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that and it doesn't paint this topic in

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a very credible light um and and that's

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unfortunate because a case like this

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deserves something like what you did and

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um i know a lot of that footage archival

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uh was obtained by someone i believe

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with the bbc is that something you can

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touch on and how you got a lot of this

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footage of um the first person on site

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when this event actually happened in 94.

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well it the first thing i had was just

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dr max footage which of course was

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fascinating and and uh then i was i had

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you can't tell a story with just one

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piece of evidence right

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i realized and i'm like i have to find

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the school which i did

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nikki carter was amazing that

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producer in africa she was amazing she

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war reporter

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it took me two years to find him

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uh so and in the meantime i was getting

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footage from other people that were

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there which i didn't even know they

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and over the years like i'm still

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getting things in the email today like

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more evidentiary documentation

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more pictures more you know little

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it's just amazing because people haven't

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get but since it's about this people are

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journalists that were really good

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journalists that um

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that that their take because they were

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because he he does works for national

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geographic a lot he's an amazing

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are you willing to speak because

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your your your testimony is important

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because he's a wildlife guy and he

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walked around that property and he'll

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tell you something was not right with

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you have to ask him i won't speak for

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him but

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about like trace evidence i mean we hear

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that a lot you know wildlife in areas

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being affected uh automobiles planes

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radios this that this that that's uh

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hopefully you can bring him forward for

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us sometimes i'm gonna i told him would

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you be willing to go on a show with me

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and he said absolutely that's a great

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idea everybody i asked is the same way

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absolutely i was like thank you thank

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you so much for coming forward thank you

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because it's hard it's been hard

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for people to come forward and um

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you know aerial school is a very

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significant incident but there are many

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others around the world

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that need to be

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the problem is is

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those incidents aren't even known

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because people are afraid to talk

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really right and i do want to touch on

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that a little later with you randall

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these other schoolyard incidents because

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yeah yeah we are just one thing but just

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right there you know

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adults doesn't matter people have had

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encounters with these things and they're

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right and i'm so glad you gave all of

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these witnesses that voice because i

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know a lot of them were very hesitant

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for many years to talk about it um i've

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spoken to several of the witnesses and

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it's hard it's hard to get them to be

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interviewed and um i know it couldn't

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have been easy to kind of

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um gain their trust and and tell their

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stories specifically and we'll touch on

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this a little later uh emily trim kind

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of the the individual you decided to

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kind of put a microscope on in the film

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which i thought was brilliant to follow

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the journey of one of these witnesses

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one of the 62 and how it affected their

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lives because i would assume it affected

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all of them very very

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differently in in many different ways

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can i just commend emily for her bravery

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yeah

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telling you um

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wow she stepped up yeah

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and you know it's it was it's been hard

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for everybody

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and i gotta just give out

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respect to the people that have spoken

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up more you know

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it's not me

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they're doing it and that's i just

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salute them for their bravery period

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absolutely i say that yeah

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i'm sorry i'm sorry go ahead chrissy

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yeah i was just gonna see how how is

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emily right now after all of this

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i think she's okay she's she's uh

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wanting to be

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pretty quiet right now she's got a lot

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of people trying to get an interview

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with her and all this and

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i have to respect her she's already done

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her work you know what i mean there's

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plenty of other kids that can speak

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um yeah i just she's done her

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she's done her uh what she need i mean

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what she did was amazing she allowed me

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to travel with her

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back to that place it happened and let

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me record that

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that's

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that doesn't happen every day

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no it doesn't yeah so i'm honored that i

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had that opportunity i'm honored and for

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her bravery and the other children's

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brave bravery lisa and all these people

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emma

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they

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were brave

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yeah i know that was the other thing i

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was very impressed with the amount of

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witnesses you were able to track down i

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i can't assume that was easy i'm sure it

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took a long time and to even get them to

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go on camera i'm sure was a challenge in

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itself but again you had such varying

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uh

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you had such a diverse

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school you know you had children from

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all over the place that went to this

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school ariel in rua and um

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probably all different belief systems

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and uh and then boom this quote-unquote

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ufo encounter literally like falls into

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their laps and even as children i'm sure

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changed their entire outlook on

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everything they'd probably been taught

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or

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yeah yeah i know emily's in specific

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this was very hard you can tell by the

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look on her face and this uh one one

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still from your film but um yeah yeah

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chrissy please anything you have from

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there yeah and and just to follow up on

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that why did you choose emily you know

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there's so many students that you could

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follow

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different stories and different

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timelines of their lives and where

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they've been and and a fair amount i

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think a few of them are in canada from

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what i i know and emily is one of them

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in toronto or around toronto

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but why why emily um to be honest with

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you she was in process

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right she she was

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coming to terms with

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what had happened to her while i met her

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she was one of the ones that was had not

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really

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processed it was just beginning to

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process it and that's why i followed i

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wanted to follow her because

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uh she it was happening her process was

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happening in real time

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that's really why it was emily because

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um what was happening was was going on

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and then other kids had come to a

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resolution in themselves or they came to

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a a place where it wasn't so pressing um

389
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so i that was the

390
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that was the reason

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gotcha

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no randall what about um

393
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a lot of these skeptics out there like

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to turn to you know the same old

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explanations for uh mass ufo settings

396
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it's some sort of collect

397
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collective hallucination or um

398
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mass hysteria or one of these kids you

399
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know the old game of phone tag or

400
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whatnot like the story builds as each

401
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kid whispers it to one another um what

402
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do you say to these people who um say

403
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that this was the kids making it up i

404
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mean they were journalists not not the

405
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ones that um you featured in the film

406
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but others who went right to the school

407
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and like told these kids you're making

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this up

409
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and they're crying at these adults

410
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telling them no we're not we saw this

411
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what do you what would you say to the

412
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skeptics who use these um

413
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mundane explanations yeah do your

414
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research

415
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i mean i i

416
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really

417
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if you're gonna if you're gonna say

418
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things about something you don't

419
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understand or haven't done your work to

420
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understand to look at i'm not even

421
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saying to believe it or not believe it

422
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but do your diligent work

423
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if you're if you just have some opinion

424
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and a lot of times this is what i run

425
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into is people's

426
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our inability to comprehend or even

427
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allow

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the thought that this could have

429
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happened to enter their brains

430
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right

431
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that's the first problem and then the

432
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second problem that i've seen is people

433
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don't do their research they don't even

434
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know what they're talking about i mean

435
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like it's like okay so i mean i went to

436
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psychiatrists psychologists

437
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:42,399
several people to get their take on the

438
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archival

439
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i said to them are these kids telling

440
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the truth body language

441
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eye movement facial all that stuff and

442
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everybody i took it to and i i these are

443
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not ufo people at all

444
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:58,079
said these people are telling the truth

445
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they couldn't comment on what they saw

446
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but they said they're telling the truth

447
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because i needed that external

448
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[Music]

449
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uh

450
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intelligence or whatever you know

451
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advice from people that worked in these

452
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fields

453
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you know that's you know psychiatry

454
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uh

455
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investigations detective work detectives

456
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so uh school teachers

457
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uh nurse pediatric nurses that work with

458
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kids

459
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that's what i did to get that kind of

460
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you know read on all these kids right

461
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and i've got

462
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you know the amount of clips that are in

463
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the film is a small amount in the amount

464
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of actual interviews i have i think i

465
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have every single

466
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not every single person because there

467
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were kids that were not interviewed

468
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um but i've been on the phone with 43

469
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and just to let you know most of those

470
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people

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told me what happened but would not go

472
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on camera

473
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just telling you like the majority of

474
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the witnesses in this case yeah told me

475
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the story personally but would not go on

476
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camera for fear what it would do that

477
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earth emily their jobs their friends

478
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unfortunately but hopefully times have

479
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changed

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really right and i do want to touch on

481
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that too sort of this new modern ufo era

482
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we're living in ever since the new york

483
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times and all that but um

484
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i guess to rewind just a little bit and

485
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then chrissy i'd love for you to take it

486
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after this um

487
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you brought up something in the

488
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beginning of the film that really caught

489
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me off guard and i never even thought

490
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about this other events happening in the

491
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same areas around this time i i it was

492
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amazing that you were able to find news

493
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archival news footage of ufo events um

494
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could you briefly touch on that for us

495
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these other things that could be

496
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connected to this event um but if not

497
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there's still other ufo activity

498
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happening in rua at the same time

499
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correct um

500
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yeah there

501
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i mean that that was very much a

502
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surprise to me because i thought um

503
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you know i thought it was just aerial

504
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school

505
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when i got to zimbabwe i started hearing

506
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other other people came up to me and

507
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said well we saw something we were here

508
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in this

509
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part of botswana or

510
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you know zimbabwe or south africa or

511
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zambia or mozambique whatever country

512
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i started to hear all these stories from

513
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adults

514
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and um some of them shot video

515
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some of them worked were raf pilots uh

516
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airline pilots uh two radar

517
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people from south africa and also from

518
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zimbab uh

519
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mexico city

520
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that night

521
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it was going across the atlantic ocean

522
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toward africa on the 15th that night

523
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so he's testified he testified in 2001

524
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at the press club

525
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fyi

526
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so

527
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there's a ton

528
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and i've done

529
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at least 100 interviews of all these

530
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other people

531
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that were witnesses so this is just the

532
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tip of the iceberg of what was going on

533
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there at the time but this was a

534
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,039
significant unique

535
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:11,039
thing that happened

536
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that was

537
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it was you know all their stories the

538
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other people that saw things though they

539
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all have a story as well

540
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but ariel seemed to be

541
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the biggest uh

542
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event during that time where they

543
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,679
actually were on the ground and people

544
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,640
saw them

545
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it wasn't just the kids there were

546
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people in the village right next to the

547
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kids the school

548
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um

549
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also

550
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so how interesting

551
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yeah i didn't know that either i'm bored

552
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i can only tell a certain amount of the

553
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,320
story and then everybody else needs to

554
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,320
hopefully i'm not if people are ready to

555
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,960
come forward do it if you're not don't

556
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you know and i mean like it all depends

557
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:53,520
on how people are what they're

558
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,159
what they feel about it i just if you

559
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,240
want if you

560
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need to talk about it please speak up

561
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and i'm saying to anyone out there that

562
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has had a significant event

563
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that

564
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,080
it's not about you you know it's not

565
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,080
about me it's not about anybody it's

566
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,799
about like all of us

567
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,120
and that's why you speak up because it's

568
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:20,880
not just about one individual it's about

569
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,919
that

570
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,320
this is important to every single thing

571
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,679
on this planet

572
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,720
if this is real and boy

573
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:31,120
that's a whole conversation

574
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:32,080
right

575
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,000
add to that yeah do you feel after this

576
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,760
randall that you might start lobbying

577
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,520
more for people that have had these

578
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,400
experiences or would let's just stay in

579
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,080
a space that you're going to keep you

580
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,320
know doing film and maybe talking about

581
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,360
this or other subjects as well but um or

582
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,960
is this just right now the mission of

583
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,720
that film is to obviously to bring

584
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,400
people forward and to give

585
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,280
shed light on what's actually happening

586
00:22:02,630 --> 00:21:59,760
uh personally my mission it has been to

587
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:02,640
get this done to speak up and hopefully

588
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,240
somebody else with the resources and the

589
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,000
technology

590
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,640
and the attention on the problem

591
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,120
takes over and i can actually just play

592
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,960
piano

593
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,880
work on cars

594
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,600
do photography maybe do another film on

595
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:22,000
wildlife honestly i don't want to i want

596
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:23,200
somebody else to

597
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,159
really

598
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,960
i want to just do my own thing you know

599
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,840
and not not have to speak about it and

600
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,520
thank god for that senate intel

601
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,720
committee this

602
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,320
oddly last week

603
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,799
right is is kind of a beginning to that

604
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:39,280
and i after watching it five times i'm

605
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,880
like oh my god finally here we go

606
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,640
here we go it's just the tip of the

607
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,120
iceberg guys really tip of the ice you

608
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,960
could not have asked for better

609
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,080
publicity

610
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,600
you know around the time

611
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,360
came out man but well that brings

612
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,720
something up and i'd love to get your

613
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:56,640
thoughts on that um i do want to return

614
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,720
to john mack he is a big part of the

615
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,559
film which i thought was awesome like

616
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,320
that was kind of the second journey that

617
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,679
you take in the film is with this

618
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,000
harvard psychiatrist who became very

619
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:08,799
vocal about this case but um do you

620
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,000
think since we have now

621
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:13,760
had congressional hearings for the first

622
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,280
time in 50 years on the ufo topic

623
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400
we are bound to have more i would assume

624
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,320
the response was very varied on how this

625
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,120
first one went what was discussed a lot

626
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,760
of people want to hear from witnesses

627
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,159
experiencers the pilots who saw the tic

628
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,480
tac ufo the children who were in

629
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,240
zimbabwe or the people who saw the

630
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,320
phoenix lights um they want to hear from

631
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,480
the people who are actually seeing these

632
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,120
things not these military people or

633
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,400
intel people giving a very you know

634
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,880
militaristic view of it or intelligence

635
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,960
view of it um do you think we'll see

636
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,200
that do you think the emily trim will

637
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,679
ever be on a congressional four floor

638
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,919
with other witnesses talking about this

639
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,760
that room will be full of people i'll

640
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,840
tell you that and you gotta understand

641
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,559
the military's under different law

642
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,520
really

643
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,120
if you understand the military like

644
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,520
there's it's this is very different than

645
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,200
civilians so

646
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:11,279
uh i i would like to there's there's

647
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,039
more pilots out there that uh

648
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,279
i've interviewed a couple of them myself

649
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,480
and uh

650
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,159
i think they're willing to talk but you

651
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:27,110
they have certain privileges um

652
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,870
how do i say this they have clearances

653
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,080
still

654
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,600
even though we're tired

655
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,880
so

656
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,000
anyway

657
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,000
but yeah i think uh there's a lot of

658
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,400
people that can speak up uh the most

659
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,880
powerful people in my experience because

660
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,480
i've met them

661
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,400
it are the people

662
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,960
you would be surprised that i've

663
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,039
encountered these things but they're so

664
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,400
well known

665
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,880
that um

666
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,559
they don't talk about it

667
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,200
but if all those people did

668
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:59,200
it would change everything and they know

669
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,559
who they are

670
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,000
i don't have to make anything up they

671
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,080
need to come forward please do so i

672
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,919
appreciate it everybody will appreciate

673
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:07,279
it when you do

674
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,159
um

675
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,440
but yeah there's a lot of people that

676
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,360
could fill that uh entire senate

677
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,279
absolutely it and it just takes one

678
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,799
you're right you're right and the

679
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,960
floodgates will open wide and i think

680
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,360
we're we're getting there like where

681
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,520
this topic is becoming

682
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,120
a normal part

683
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,080
of conversations i mean i remember

684
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,640
when maybe i talk about this with family

685
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,200
or friends once a month or something and

686
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,960
now every day

687
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,640
they're emailing me what's new with the

688
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,799
pentagon and ufos what's this new

689
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,520
documentary about these kids what is

690
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,400
happening here and it's awesome you know

691
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,760
that i i can just have these

692
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,960
conversations without ever um you know

693
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,200
putting that kind of gloss or mask over

694
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,120
and being like oh yeah i research

695
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,600
anomalous things and then it going no

696
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:57,840
further now it's i'm a ufo researcher

697
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,159
what what what are you going to say like

698
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,600
bring it bring it

699
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:03,679
so i think we're getting there i i think

700
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,559
we are um it's inspiring but surely you

701
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,200
know i i thought we wouldn't have had be

702
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,120
having this kind of conversation

703
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:13,919
until i was gone you know

704
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,240
90 years old and pushing up daisies

705
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,880
wow it's been a huge shift since

706
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,679
december 2017 and it slowly gradually

707
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:25,200
moved you know

708
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,730
in the right direction finally

709
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,159
[Music]

710
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,080
and all those wonderful people

711
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,400
well speaking out for for decades man

712
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,159
for decades

713
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,279
like back in the 60s back in the 50s

714
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,679
back i mean it goes way back

715
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,360
it's unfortunate but

716
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,240
it is a big uh thing for our species to

717
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,840
wrap our heads around

718
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,559
it's going to take time even from now to

719
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,120
to to what we actually find out

720
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,480
it's going to take our it's going to

721
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:54,960
take us psychologically a jump to wrap

722
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,520
our heads around it

723
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,360
i think you're right well

724
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,960
that was one other thing and chrissy i

725
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,880
know you can probably piggyback off this

726
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,679
too

727
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,400
the messages the kids were given

728
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,799
now in the film that was very

729
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,720
interesting and we've heard this before

730
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,919
you know when

731
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,440
these close encounters happen there's

732
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,679
always these

733
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:18,159
i guess premonitions may be the right

734
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,919
word maybe not but uh this idea of

735
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,799
we're destroying our planet and we don't

736
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,880
need aliens to tell us that we can see

737
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,919
it happening every day around us but

738
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,159
these children were told

739
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,480
very specific things according to them

740
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:37,039
in their interpretation of what happened

741
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,080
um

742
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,240
what do you make of the messages these

743
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:42,240
children were given is this something

744
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,120
you

745
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,360
personally believe in extraterrestrial

746
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,360
grace would want to make us

747
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,200
aware of um what do you make of the

748
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,159
whole messages these kids were given

749
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,520
is that to me

750
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:55,039
yes oh

751
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,840
well

752
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,440
it's awfully

753
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,269
i mean in 1994

754
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,039
most people didn't believe in any kind

755
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,840
of climate change at all and uh we're

756
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:08,880
seeing it

757
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,480
there's very few people in the world

758
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,720
right now in my opinion

759
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:17,279
that don't understand we got a problem

760
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,399
so

761
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,799
those i mean i don't know i mean i think

762
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,799
about that fair amount because it does

763
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,720
happen to other people

764
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,559
outside of ariel and that's not it

765
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,559
wasn't a unique thing like you're right

766
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,279
it's reported in many other incidents

767
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,520
but maybe that's because

768
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,360
they are you know

769
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,080
they see us we're a biosphere

770
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:40,080
we're a biosphere we're a ball floating

771
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,279
in space

772
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,720
and they're coming from outside of that

773
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,399
their their perspective is from an

774
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,080
external place if you talk to people who

775
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,080
have gone into space they'll tell you

776
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,190
you know yeah much they start caring

777
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:57,760
about and how much we don't realize

778
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,200
how precious this planet is and we take

779
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,470
absolutely i believe that you know this

780
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,960
species probably sees that

781
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,799
and all they can communicate to us

782
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,559
because they we don't speak their

783
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:13,840
language

784
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,640
is

785
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,520
uh just snapshots of what our future

786
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,760
might be in the hopes that we'll change

787
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,520
it

788
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,880
right

789
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:24,799
yeah christine take it from there please

790
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,760
it's so true it's agreed it's very much

791
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,320
a reflection of us right now currently

792
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,200
and that was also in 1994 and it's still

793
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,360
very current today

794
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,039
i asked you in the interview that i did

795
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,799
with you too randall about the sounds

796
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,480
and you know when i was thinking about

797
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,320
it a little bit later on

798
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,440
the flute sound is so distinct than

799
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,919
anything we've ever heard before

800
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,080
and when i think about it

801
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,760
this might sound funny to people but i

802
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,240
think of the pied piper like i instantly

803
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,399
do with children like calling children

804
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,240
and and that fairy door i don't know if

805
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,240
it's fairy tale but the tale of the pied

806
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:03,039
piper you know warning i believe the the

807
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,399
town that he's going to take his

808
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,240
children and he comes and ends up taking

809
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,480
them and the kids then disappear

810
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,880
and that flute sound rings so

811
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,840
so heavy in my head with that story do

812
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,480
you think that this story then and maybe

813
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:18,559
other folklore that was happening within

814
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,679
zimbabwe is the sound the flute sound

815
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,360
related to any folklore that they might

816
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,480
have had or any that you know of

817
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,470
personally

818
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,039
there was two sounds heard on that day

819
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,200
and it's not uncommon

820
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,600
but when you if

821
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:39,440
this may sound strange i don't know but

822
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,640
i'll say it

823
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:42,559
if you hear that flute sound

824
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,389
interesting

825
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:50,960
yeah flute is easy way to describe it

826
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:54,240
but um if you hear that sound it's too

827
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,039
late

828
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,640
you'll hear the buzzing sound that's

829
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,279
that's norm it's not a buzzing sound but

830
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,880
it's an oscillating two-tone or uh

831
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,200
totally out of sync and

832
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,640
and then you hear

833
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,000
and and when you hear that high-pitched

834
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,399
sound that's a different that's you're

835
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,320
in trouble

836
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,960
and why do you say that oh i've just

837
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,200
talked to many people other people that

838
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:19,440
have gone through this

839
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,640
uh

840
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,960
and their experiences with those with

841
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,200
the sound alone because i'm i'm a sound

842
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,679
i'm a pianist i'm a sound guy i'm really

843
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,120
like down in my

844
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,519
my heart and uh i pay paid paid

845
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,720
attention to to sound very carefully

846
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,120
and and what people say about sound

847
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,480
because that's

848
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,919
people were interested

849
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,840
you know john mack brought that into the

850
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,000
some of the interviews that nobody even

851
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,360
thought to ask

852
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,200
like what did you hear did you taste

853
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,440
anything in your mouth did you

854
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,480
you know

855
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,159
smell anything i mean

856
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,360
yeah all the the real raw sensory data

857
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:56,320
that you're

858
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,840
we can collect with our

859
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,600
bodies and i'm glad he did but you know

860
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,880
there's there's other stories that

861
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,360
corroborate what they said

862
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:07,440
that's what's stunning that's why

863
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,799
that's what convinced me a lot about

864
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,279
this too was was okay because i was

865
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,720
looking into this story and i was

866
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,039
looking at a hundred other stories as

867
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,799
well and talking to other people and

868
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:18,720
interviewing other people

869
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,679
and

870
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:21,039
hearing their

871
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:22,159
accounts

872
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,519
so there's

873
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,880
that's the thing about this whole thing

874
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,480
it's subtle

875
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,600
like

876
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,519
you know and

877
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,240
i gotta say the subtlety

878
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,760
um

879
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,640
is

880
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:37,679
absolutely brilliant

881
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:43,600
us from really seeing it

882
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,880
and i think that's on purpose personally

883
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,679
yeah

884
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,240
i get that i i think you're right these

885
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,799
phenomena seem to

886
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,120
whisper instead of yell at us a lot and

887
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,440
um of course they probably want us to

888
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,559
get it

889
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,960
they want us to figure it out ourselves

890
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,039
and um you know part of me appreciates

891
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,440
that and another part of me is like yeah

892
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,880
but what about these hundreds of people

893
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,799
who are traumatized by these events as

894
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,559
well i know some of the kids you know

895
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,799
would go on to become very depressed or

896
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,919
alcoholics or drug users and on the flip

897
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:17,760
side some became like

898
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,799
super inspired by the event and became

899
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,279
very you know prominent people civil

900
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,080
rights and um humanitarian things and

901
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,679
environmental stuff and art um so it

902
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,880
really is i think how each individual uh

903
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,440
carries the weight of that experience

904
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,960
with them i've

905
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,279
i've experienced that too

906
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,760
yeah the weight psychologically is i

907
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,760
mean unless you go through it you don't

908
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,679
really understand what it's like and

909
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,440
neither does our

910
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,039
medical community

911
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,799
in psychiatry really understand because

912
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,840
unless they've gone through it

913
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,919
themselves they don't really understand

914
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,799
what that does to a person

915
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,880
psychologically like you know it's not

916
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,080
something

917
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,679
a lot you'll see in the movie a lot of

918
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,760
kids they'll go to the lower left to go

919
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,840
to the memory of what they saw

920
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,440
and they go like this

921
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:11,359
you know or they close their eyes really

922
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:12,159
tight

923
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:13,200
because

924
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,919
it's it's so disturbing

925
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,720
you know you know what i mean and um

926
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:22,960
i get that a lot of people get that you

927
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:26,079
get that i think and um

928
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,119
it's hard

929
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,960
and i think uh

930
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,200
the human psychology part of it and the

931
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,159
effect on human psychology

932
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,320
we haven't begun to understand but we

933
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,079
need to so we can understand what

934
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:40,240
happens to these people

935
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,280
you know

936
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,359
and and include them in the world

937
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,159
instead of push you know stigmatizing

938
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,599
them and

939
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,399
you know

940
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,639
diagnosing them with this and that and

941
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,280
this i mean you understand like

942
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:55,760
in the 70s they went from

943
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,640
they call these people schizophrenic

944
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,520
false memories all i mean you know it's

945
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,440
it's always a new diagnosis but it's

946
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,520
never the right one right because they

947
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,280
don't know

948
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,640
but they get i think they have to like

949
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,119
john mack did and others are

950
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,480
um take a a look at it with just a

951
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:18,720
slight open mind

952
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,400
i like that

953
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:26,720
do you know randall if any of

954
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,839
the children now have had any other

955
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,280
experiences as adults

956
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,040
i can't talk about i mean i've been

957
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,560
asked specifically not to talk about

958
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:35,920
that from

959
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:42,310
make of that what you will yeah exactly

960
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:43,599
um

961
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,040
well uh let's you know again

962
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:49,280
psychological elephant in the room john

963
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,480
mack um he was a big part of this case

964
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,440
and your film um i'd love to talk about

965
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,200
him for just a little bit because you're

966
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,760
right he was the one to kind of

967
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,560
really uh dive into this topic unlike

968
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,640
anyone ever had done before with the

969
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,400
soft sciences whether you know

970
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,880
psychiatry and whatnot and you also had

971
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,280
some really interesting interviews with

972
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,040
other members of

973
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,640
the harvard

974
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,280
psychiatry board which was awesome to

975
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,160
see both sides who thought he was going

976
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,480
off the rails and he lost it and those

977
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,560
who said no this is a part of science

978
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,880
like we need to look into this we need

979
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,200
to ask these questions um

980
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:31,839
what is what is your take on john's mac

981
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,359
involvement with all of this

982
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,069
i think he was shocked in the beginning

983
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,200
to to meet with the the for he met with

984
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,440
a a certain group of people in the

985
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,240
beginning you know like five or six

986
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,320
people that had had really close contact

987
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,640
this was before ariel started

988
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,040
and i think it shocked him because i've

989
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,119
talked to people after he came from that

990
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,520
meeting that had dinner with him

991
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,800
and

992
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,280
it blew his mind you know because he

993
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,400
knew these people were a successful

994
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,440
be

995
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,240
normal people in the world yet they were

996
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,480
telling these incredibly

997
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,000
bizarre stories but there was a

998
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,040
consistency in the stories anyway so his

999
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:19,440
he i mean he's just john mack's journey

1000
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,960
is the hero's journey really um because

1001
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:24,480
he stood up

1002
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:28,560
and he says it himself and that's what

1003
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,520
he did

1004
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,720
against

1005
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,720
the biggest power

1006
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,040
against harvard university and all the

1007
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,160
harvard alumni and

1008
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,000
um

1009
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,599
and i think

1010
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,839
because john mack was way ahead of his

1011
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,160
time as a thinker

1012
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,720
uh he was 20 years down the road even at

1013
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,560
that time he wasn't interested in

1014
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,560
keeping up with where everybody else in

1015
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,480
humanity was at the time

1016
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,200
he was interested deeply in finding out

1017
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,880
what it meant

1018
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,190
yeah christine do you have anything to

1019
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,599
add in terms of john mack's involvement

1020
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,240
with this and in the documentary yeah i

1021
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,880
just think that he was a fabulous

1022
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,800
human from what i would say and when i

1023
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,320
would have seen him have you talked to

1024
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,720
ralph blumenthal or anybody else

1025
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,200
about his research that he's done with

1026
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,119
about john mack

1027
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,200
yes i've sat with ralph

1028
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,119
several times he's a really good guy i

1029
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,720
like ralph a lot

1030
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,880
yeah did you ever cross-reference any of

1031
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,040
your work or your findings that you did

1032
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,400
with the children and then along with

1033
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,400
maybe potentially john max that he spoke

1034
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,359
about and what ralph learned about

1035
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,599
we talked about it um

1036
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,800
i don't know i'm trying to think

1037
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,800
cross-references

1038
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:43,760
uh

1039
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:51,030
it's sort of the subtle

1040
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,510
it's the subtle things

1041
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,800
that are

1042
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,320
you know people don't talk about too

1043
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,000
much at all and that's actually good

1044
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,119
because it's a uh and john would tell

1045
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,359
you this and so would have uh but

1046
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,320
hopkins that um

1047
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,240
those little things become really

1048
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,400
important when you're investigating

1049
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,240
because they're so specific and they're

1050
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,520
so like

1051
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,960
you can't pull that out of your

1052
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,440
imagination you can't anyway that's a

1053
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,640
whole another story but but um yeah

1054
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,520
i've

1055
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,680
had the opportunity and pleasure to meet

1056
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:26,000
a lot of uh amazing people during this

1057
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,119
film

1058
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,640
you know really like all these harvard

1059
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:33,680
emirates professors and i mean

1060
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,119
movie star it's just been wow

1061
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,200
yeah it's been a journey i hope i get to

1062
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,480
tell it the whole story someday you know

1063
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,040
we'll get the six hour uncut version

1064
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:47,040
right that's why i always tell people

1065
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,000
like

1066
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,920
you got two weeks

1067
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,720
yeah

1068
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,240
all right

1069
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,920
i can't imagine that must be so

1070
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,760
frustrating as a filmmaker i know you

1071
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,680
can only

1072
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,280
fit so much into the time you're

1073
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,000
allotted in terms of distribution and

1074
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,079
and all of that but um

1075
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,880
yeah i i hope someday you'll be able to

1076
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,520
tell that full full story but you came

1077
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,680
pretty damn close here man i'm not gonna

1078
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,599
lie yeah this is the important the most

1079
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,000
important one you know is this yeah

1080
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,119
and uh and likely

1081
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,640
i will do

1082
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:23,280
i've got another one but

1083
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,640
that's

1084
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,800
i already i think i told chrissy that i

1085
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,160
i can't even say anything because

1086
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,319
somebody else will do it if i tell them

1087
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,880
that's true gotta keep it in the vault

1088
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,760
because uh but i'm excited about it

1089
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,000
you know now now that this is done it's

1090
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,160
like oh now i can actually think about

1091
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,240
doing this other one

1092
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,200
right

1093
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,680
yeah i'm sure that's a a big weight on

1094
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,240
off of your shoulders but also like

1095
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,079
living in the moment man like it's out

1096
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,720
there and again um the chat is blowing

1097
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,000
up everyone's

1098
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,599
everyone's already watched it and it's

1099
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,440
already been less than 48 hours which is

1100
00:41:00,350 --> 00:40:58,720
that's amazing

1101
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,360
um thank god

1102
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,560
[Laughter]

1103
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,800
did you fear nobody would watch this i

1104
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,040
mean that could not have crossed your

1105
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,800
mind there's no way no

1106
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,480
i you know i've got to be honest with

1107
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,520
you like

1108
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,240
you know i started off my uncle

1109
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:17,760
when he died um left me money to

1110
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,359
put some money into this film and

1111
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,599
his name was byron canny

1112
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,359
and um

1113
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,680
that allowed me to to buy programs the

1114
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,040
computers the cameras to get started and

1115
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:33,440
eventually get the first editor

1116
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,550
yeah the people that have helped me my

1117
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:41,680
god um but yeah today

1118
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,520
i am at over a million in debt

1119
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,280
that's for real so if you want to make a

1120
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,599
documentary i was like i'll spend a

1121
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,680
couple hundred thousand most

1122
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,000
and get it done but then you run into

1123
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,160
like oh i gotta get an attorney

1124
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:58,079
oh i've gotta purchase the rights from

1125
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,280
these people

1126
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,640
oh

1127
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,720
it's just one thing after another it's

1128
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,079
like i gotta hire another person oh i

1129
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,319
gotta hire another editor it's just it

1130
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,720
became

1131
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,240
uh it's just hard

1132
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,720
and expensive people don't realize how

1133
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,400
expensive it is to make a movie

1134
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:16,000
especially when it's you're doing it in

1135
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:17,200
africa

1136
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,000
you know

1137
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,920
freeze i can make a movie in my own town

1138
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,079
for whatever very

1139
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,000
uh little money but when you're when you

1140
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,760
start doing international everything

1141
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,960
changes

1142
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,960
so anyway

1143
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,960
it's a beautiful body of work randall

1144
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:32,880
it's a beautiful beautiful body of work

1145
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,920
being bought and you know thank god

1146
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,920
on that level just on a normal level of

1147
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,800
like i have to pay my bills guys yeah

1148
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,280
i think people don't realize for

1149
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,560
yeah most filmmakers are lucky to break

1150
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,400
even oh yeah

1151
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,280
on credit cards you get loans it's like

1152
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,880
oh yeah and then you got to get

1153
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,079
insurance

1154
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,839
oh my god

1155
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,560
oh well i i'd love to um

1156
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:00,160
one more question in terms of the

1157
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,200
content

1158
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,800
brando um

1159
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,880
you did like you said you went to

1160
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,720
zimbabwe several times to film and you

1161
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:08,800
did film emily meeting with some of the

1162
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,720
uh the the locals and we hear this a lot

1163
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:14,960
you know indigenous people in any

1164
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,839
country uh have a very strong connection

1165
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,720
to

1166
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,839
what maybe they consider star people or

1167
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,160
another plane or

1168
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,560
just non-human intelligence and i found

1169
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,960
it really interesting um without giving

1170
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,720
away too much in the film

1171
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,040
one of the locals told emily like yeah

1172
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,119
we see these things all the time like

1173
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,920
they visit our grave sites in fact one

1174
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,160
of the grave sites of like one of our

1175
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,599
like chiefs

1176
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,079
is right near the aerial school and ufos

1177
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,480
zip in and out of there all the time

1178
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:49,760
so i'd love to get your thoughts on this

1179
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,520
was this a visitation to the children

1180
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,920
gone wrong like were they trying to

1181
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,000
visit this site and they accidentally

1182
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,839
ended up on the schoolyard

1183
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,640
or

1184
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,560
what do you make of the aerial school

1185
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,960
event was it accidental was it on

1186
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,280
purpose um i know that's a big broad

1187
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,920
question but yeah if you want to take a

1188
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,760
minute to work through that

1189
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,560
extremely vague questionnaire

1190
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,240
no it's not it's burn on the tip of my

1191
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,680
tongue because i think about it all the

1192
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,359
time but there were three different

1193
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,040
reasons that

1194
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,800
that i could think of

1195
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,040
other than a direct visit just to the

1196
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,920
kids i actually think

1197
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,319
that um

1198
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,400
i i don't know this for sure i've just

1199
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,359
heard from other people that

1200
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,319
there may have been another reason

1201
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,319
that i mean i'm not saying that what

1202
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,640
happened to dario wasn't direct you know

1203
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,480
directed and they didn't they approac

1204
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,319
you know from all the witnesses they

1205
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,280
that that creature whatever it was

1206
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,119
approached that playground on purpose it

1207
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,960
wasn't an accident that that was not an

1208
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,160
accident

1209
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:55,760
what they were actually there in that

1210
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,560
area for that's a question mark and um

1211
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,440
anyway uh yeah there's other people that

1212
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,839
will speak about this coming

1213
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,760
you'll hear more about this from other

1214
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:09,520
people

1215
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,400
so

1216
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:12,000
of course a big question but you have to

1217
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,800
go

1218
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,040
you have to widen out and use a really

1219
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,640
wide lens to really answer that question

1220
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,720
you know you understand like it's yeah

1221
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,079
that you got to look at it from

1222
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,750
totally yeah no and again like it's

1223
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,240
going to vary from person to person i

1224
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,359
know

1225
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,119
individuals i've spoken to have claimed

1226
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:34,480
abductions or

1227
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,359
uh

1228
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,599
just experiencers in general a lot of

1229
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,200
them think they were chosen a lot of

1230
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,280
them think they were you know it was a

1231
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,280
fishing expedition and they just

1232
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,880
happened to be the one they brought up

1233
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,800
there but again i always go back to it's

1234
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,560
what you do with it right nice yeah

1235
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,319
exactly can i speak to that because

1236
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,000
please please

1237
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,640
obviously there's nobody special here

1238
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,000
it's happening to

1239
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,319
thousands of people in every single

1240
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,480
country on this planet

1241
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,000
and it doesn't matter if they're black

1242
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,480
white purp you know my god it's not a

1243
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,920
race thing it's not you know obviously

1244
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,599
and i've looked at this carefully what's

1245
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,960
the uniqueness there isn't any

1246
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,560
it's you know and i'm not saying it's

1247
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,160
random but it doesn't make somebody

1248
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,760
special

1249
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,560
you know yeah real and it's i mean

1250
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:22,800
the special if you want to the special

1251
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,319
thing that it does is is if you speak up

1252
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,560
about it to warn your fellow man that

1253
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,280
there's there we might have a problem

1254
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,359
that's what you that's that if you want

1255
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,119
to do that that that

1256
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,960
but anyway it's just

1257
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,480
i've seen a lot of these people that

1258
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,200
think they're special well i can i can

1259
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,440
introduce you to somebody in japan china

1260
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,440
every single country on this planet

1261
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,720
that's seen the same thing and they

1262
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,280
don't feel that way

1263
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,520
that's a solid point yeah i like that

1264
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,319
yeah i know i i think we um we deal with

1265
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,400
that a lot in this field too i'm sorry

1266
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,880
christy you know this idea of like

1267
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,440
um you know i'm the one who's here to

1268
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:03,920
impart the message no these kids are

1269
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,200
saying what these beings supposedly told

1270
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,599
them they don't they're not telling you

1271
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,440
to believe it they're not saying this is

1272
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,760
bible they're saying this is what was

1273
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,760
conveyed to be in my mind when this

1274
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,839
thing happened take it or leave it like

1275
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,520
it's up to the rest of you to figure it

1276
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,839
out so yeah that's what i you you let

1277
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,640
them talk you there was no

1278
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,040
um some documentaries come off very

1279
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,839
biased and that's just the way that um

1280
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,000
you know that genre can be there's an

1281
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,200
angle taken by the filmmaker and um

1282
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,839
maybe even an agenda i i didn't get that

1283
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,920
with this you let the witnesses speak

1284
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,160
for themselves and the story played out

1285
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,200
as it was so i really respect that well

1286
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,440
i gotta say um working with christopher

1287
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,079
seward my story editor

1288
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,040
he we wrote together um

1289
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,760
his advice and i i this is what i wanted

1290
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:57,760
to do anyway but but he really

1291
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,200
solidified that was show your warts

1292
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:03,520
i mean there every every every possible

1293
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,800
thing that

1294
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,880
is in the film

1295
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,400
so

1296
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,079
all that

1297
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,160
you know it's just show your warts don't

1298
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,400
try to hide anything

1299
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,000
don't try to steer it in a certain

1300
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,880
direction you know let it tell let the

1301
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,800
people tell their story

1302
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,960
show the the issues and they are in that

1303
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,960
movie i don't you know they're small

1304
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,400
things but it's like we got to put it

1305
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,839
out there because that's part of what

1306
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,960
happened too

1307
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,160
so

1308
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,000
but that's what you do

1309
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,319
right i mean i had kind of a lot more

1310
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,079
pressure than a normal filmmaker would

1311
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,319
have because i had to be extremely

1312
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,920
objective

1313
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,960
you know

1314
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,040
yeah just because

1315
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:45,839
which is hard as because you know but if

1316
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,559
you are an experiencer like you you you

1317
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,000
understand

1318
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:51,359
i noticed i could see something like

1319
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,079
that

1320
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,240
yeah exactly i could have put it better

1321
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,800
myself um yeah chrissy do you have any

1322
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,720
questions um

1323
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,559
that you didn't get to in your interview

1324
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,640
yeah i just think that randall like you

1325
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,800
built a body of work that is very

1326
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:06,880
beautiful and again like you didn't put

1327
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,680
yourself into it you had people tell the

1328
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,839
stories and they're authentic like we

1329
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,720
see even emily's you know i'm some might

1330
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,800
say it's a flaw or not but like smoking

1331
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,599
for example or just the real elements of

1332
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,599
of who she is and her

1333
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,040
you know you didn't

1334
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,480
you didn't uh

1335
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,440
put a gloss over it you really showed

1336
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,520
you know those moments and like if her

1337
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,760
heart being ripped out or just you know

1338
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,599
seeing people that they're that she

1339
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,040
didn't have anyone to connect with

1340
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,599
people didn't understand her and giving

1341
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,200
her that ability to tell her story is

1342
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,559
something really beautiful and you did

1343
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,200
it in a very honest way and we don't get

1344
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,559
a lot of film like that anymore and i

1345
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,400
appreciate that and i admire the body of

1346
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,319
work immensely because i wish more

1347
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,680
filmmakers would do that and i think

1348
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,680
you're in a great example of it

1349
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,559
i i hope so too like i think

1350
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,240
maybe we're going to get to the stage

1351
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:00,160
where we actually tell real stories

1352
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,430
right it's always the same

1353
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,599
right but honestly some of these stories

1354
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,200
they need to the uh like the real story

1355
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,920
not trying to prove it not try just tell

1356
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,599
the story i think we're gonna get other

1357
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,440
people are working on proving it

1358
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,960
let them handle it but we should start

1359
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,119
telling people stories because there's

1360
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,960
thousands of people

1361
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,720
there's i mean what watch hollywood

1362
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,319
after a little while

1363
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,760
then once they start to realize this is

1364
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,599
where i mean think about stories in the

1365
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,640
past that were where things were just

1366
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,920
taboo

1367
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,599
and then all of a sudden it became

1368
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,520
didn't you know became

1369
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,520
acceptable and then you started to see

1370
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,079
real movies about their stories that's

1371
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,680
what's happening here

1372
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:46,880
i don't know how long that's going to

1373
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,599
take but for me personally i wanted you

1374
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,240
i i felt what you said that setting an

1375
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,240
example that's what i was trying to do

1376
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,240
also it's like this is the way we should

1377
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,319
tell these stories because it's just

1378
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,000
with care and

1379
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,319
like these are human beings these are

1380
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,599
people man

1381
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:06,319
have families like

1382
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,319
it's um we can't ignore that anymore

1383
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,400
the impact

1384
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,200
yeah yeah it's not about entertainment

1385
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:17,359
yeah anymore it's

1386
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,160
we're

1387
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:20,640
slowly realizing as these phenomena are

1388
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,079
gradually i think telling us is uh it's

1389
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,640
real yeah you have to accept it um

1390
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:28,319
there's a million questions after that

1391
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,119
but

1392
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,000
um hey it's here it's happening talk

1393
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,400
about it talk about it i think that's

1394
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,480
amazing and you have set a standard

1395
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,040
again i said you know for every um

1396
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,760
aerial phenomenon documentary there's 1

1397
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,079
million ufo documentaries that have no

1398
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,160
business being out there and i'm just

1399
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,440
going to say that some of which have

1400
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,440
come out in the past few weeks and i

1401
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,599
don't want to cause controversy i'm not

1402
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,160
that kind of show but they do nothing

1403
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:56,640
but a disservice to a field that strives

1404
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,359
for

1405
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,079
credibility and like i said you let your

1406
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,960
story play out in a very humanistic way

1407
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:04,720
and that's the way it should be done we

1408
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,520
don't need to hear about the um a

1409
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,800
million conspiracies and um you know

1410
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,480
this and that and

1411
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,760
it's just

1412
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:16,240
let's just focus on the people and um

1413
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,040
again

1414
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,800
a lot of those things are distractions

1415
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,079
to be honest like the bigger story is

1416
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,520
what's there

1417
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,119
what's going on

1418
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,040
i think we need to know

1419
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:29,680
what's going on for our own interest as

1420
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,119
a as a species we need to understand

1421
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,680
what that is what what is going on

1422
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,119
because

1423
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,920
if it is a higher intelligence

1424
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,680
you know that's been around evolved a

1425
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,839
long time further than us

1426
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,520
we should be concerned

1427
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,880
and of course we're not going to see

1428
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,240
them every day

1429
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,160
they're not going to be stupid

1430
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,960
so anyway that's my feeling

1431
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,200
i love it i love it um i've got just a

1432
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,880
couple listener questions randall if you

1433
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,640
don't mind i'll fire through them really

1434
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,720
quick for you um and then chrissy

1435
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,800
whatever you got left but um let me ask

1436
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,359
this one neil on facebook asks what was

1437
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,760
the most intriguing thing you learned

1438
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,520
about the event while making the

1439
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,000
documentary that you hadn't known before

1440
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:14,000
making it

1441
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:20,630
personally um it was some of the

1442
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:26,000
descriptions that uh the kids gave of

1443
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,680
particular things um

1444
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,119
behavioral

1445
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:32,800
mannerisms

1446
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,150
just very specific things that that are

1447
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,480
in the archival that aren't even in the

1448
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,160
film because nobody would have got it

1449
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,920
and that's good you know what i mean i

1450
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,800
we we

1451
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,400
out there's all these moments that i

1452
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,000
wanted in the film

1453
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,319
and my editor said no one's gonna get

1454
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,640
that no one's gonna understand that i'm

1455
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,000
like all right

1456
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,599
it's so important to me because i

1457
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,079
realized to me those were the keys

1458
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,839
those were the keys

1459
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,000
because they were so specific

1460
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,480
such specific details

1461
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:05,440
that

1462
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,599
they had you know there it wasn't

1463
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,079
it wasn't even there wasn't anything in

1464
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,520
the media at that time in 94.

1465
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,160
it wasn't until 2011

1466
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,559
2012 before some of these facts were

1467
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,280
actually known uh but they knew that in

1468
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,960
94.

1469
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,800
yeah

1470
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,040
there's another one

1471
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,359
ryan says okay go ahead oh i'm sorry

1472
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,319
randall um the the being is moving in

1473
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,200
slow motion this kind of oz factor that

1474
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,119
a lot of witnesses have during these

1475
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,200
encounters that was very interesting

1476
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,200
several of the witnesses you interviewed

1477
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,280
mentioned this that you know they would

1478
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,880
watch the beings and everything move

1479
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,640
slow and the minute they turn their head

1480
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,119
everything was back to normal so like

1481
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,440
oh that's so

1482
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:58,000
interesting to me but concerning that

1483
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,799
they

1484
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:00,319
seem to have some sort of perception

1485
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:01,280
over

1486
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,799
time space the way we perceive them um

1487
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,680
yeah very very very interesting

1488
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,280
well once i mean

1489
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,000
yes um i've had a lot of conversations

1490
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,880
about this with some people uh

1491
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:17,520
you know likely like we are we're so

1492
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,319
fascinated with uh black holes and you

1493
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,640
know that's like the

1494
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,079
you know

1495
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,400
the extreme form of gravity

1496
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,640
and if any i'm sure any species in the

1497
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:30,240
universe is going to look at black holes

1498
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,359
and say

1499
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,520
we need to figure that out

1500
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,160
yeah and learn how to control gravity we

1501
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:38,079
just detected gravity waves what what

1502
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,440
two years ago

1503
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,359
we finally got a physical piece of

1504
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,000
evidence that gravity is you know we

1505
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,160
documented gravity for the first time

1506
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:50,079
you know and um long form long wave

1507
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,880
um

1508
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,440
so yeah my perception and you will talk

1509
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,880
to other people you will hear from other

1510
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,280
people who are going to speak up

1511
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,640
that

1512
00:56:03,589 --> 00:55:59,680
if you can

1513
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,599
do that on a bigger scale you can

1514
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:05,440
control time

1515
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,400
so

1516
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,720
again in these reports you hear the same

1517
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,040
thing about time being manipulated

1518
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,200
somehow the witnesses say somehow time

1519
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,280
was distorted and then you have your

1520
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,839
human perception of time

1521
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,240
your interpretation of time right

1522
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,480
that's also a factor too

1523
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,000
because like when you're in a traumatic

1524
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,839
event time slows down

1525
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,119
you know what i mean but it actually

1526
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,200
doesn't slow down you're taking more

1527
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,520
photographs because you're in a state of

1528
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,960
fight or flight

1529
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,119
so you're actually recording at a higher

1530
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,440
rate when you do that in film that's

1531
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,680
called slow motion

1532
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,109
very interesting um one last listener

1533
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,559
question and then chrissy i'm gonna let

1534
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,720
you close this one out because um you've

1535
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,720
been awesome being here with us tonight

1536
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,720
um richie through email asks did

1537
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,319
speaking to others about their

1538
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,640
experiences at the school help you

1539
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,119
process your own experiences and were

1540
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,440
there any connections that you found

1541
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,680
between um some of your experiences i

1542
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:05,599
know you can't go into detail but uh

1543
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,040
between you and your children yes and uh

1544
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,559
it was really hard to do this movie

1545
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,520
really

1546
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,440
because believe me

1547
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
the last thing you want to do is think

1548
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,520
about that

1549
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,359
but i had to dive into it because i was

1550
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:23,680
like all right i'm doing this film

1551
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,040
wow i mean literally i the computer was

1552
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,920
over there and i just was like oh my god

1553
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,680
i gotta work on it i don't want to do

1554
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,069
yeah but over time

1555
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,839
just to be honest don't have to even say

1556
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:40,240
much it's just but i it healed it was

1557
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,680
healing

1558
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,440
and not just for me i think it was

1559
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:45,760
healing for a lot of other people

1560
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,640
you know

1561
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,160
in the process the people that were

1562
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:50,000
involved in this film

1563
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,040
the kids

1564
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:54,000
parents right there's the adults the the

1565
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:55,280
crew

1566
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,559
everybody

1567
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,079
who's healing for in some way but

1568
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:00,400
particularly yes it was uh

1569
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,400
it was not easy i can tell you that

1570
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:06,319
i know i know and you know i would

1571
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,440
assume

1572
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,280
it was um

1573
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,440
a way to build trust too

1574
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,839
with these individuals i mean

1575
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,760
when i wrote my first book i traveled

1576
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,280
the country interviewing hundreds of

1577
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,240
witnesses to tell their stories and i

1578
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,720
wasn't even ready to tell my story

1579
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,040
myself and i struggled for a very long

1580
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:27,520
time it took several conversations with

1581
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,119
uh my my partner and with my parents to

1582
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,559
be like i think i have to do this you

1583
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,400
know i'm telling their stories it's

1584
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,799
going to look bad if i

1585
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,720
do that and don't

1586
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,880
show that i am a part of this community

1587
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,480
i've been there i've been in your shoes

1588
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,480
i've seen these things so

1589
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,880
it was hard for me too but it was the

1590
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,960
best choice

1591
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,240
oh thank you

1592
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,960
yeah i mean i mean i know how hard it is

1593
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,359
and i you you do as well

1594
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,520
um and i just honor you for doing what

1595
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:02,640
you're doing because it is not easy

1596
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,079
yeah same man same back to you i know i

1597
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,319
know it's not easy for anyone especially

1598
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,359
these kids um chrissy anything left you

1599
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:13,040
have before we let randall go and

1600
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,839
actually get some rest for once it is

1601
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,280
like i just want to say thank you

1602
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,200
randall for sharing your story and

1603
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,760
sharing this story of

1604
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,920
a beautiful film and a whole bunch of

1605
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,440
children that had just an amazing

1606
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,520
experience and something that for sure

1607
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,359
you've been able to now broadcast

1608
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,799
globally around the world and i hope a

1609
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,040
lot of people purchase it and with that

1610
00:59:39,069 --> 00:59:36,559
said where can they buy it where can

1611
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:39,079
they go and purchase aerial phenomenon

1612
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,960
aerialphenomenon.com that's a r i e l

1613
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,680
phenomenon which is p h e i didn't know

1614
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,440
this word before i did this film oh by

1615
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,640
the way

1616
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:50,799
the title of this film

1617
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,680
came from one of the kids

1618
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:56,000
really which one our can you share that

1619
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,520
name is chava

1620
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,720
okay and

1621
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,640
he's the one at the end of the movie

1622
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,839
where he talks about you know um

1623
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,359
if there's any day i would like to

1624
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,520
relive it would be that particular day

1625
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,000
that man named the film

1626
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,839
on camera or we're doing the interview

1627
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,040
he's like you should call it aerial

1628
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,680
phenomenon

1629
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,359
so it wasn't even me that came up with

1630
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,119
that title he did

1631
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,799
thank you so much because he was right

1632
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,000
on with that

1633
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,160
yeah that's awesome i love that i know

1634
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,760
because when i first

1635
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,440
heard the title i'm like did he just

1636
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,319
spell ariel wrong and then i'm like oh

1637
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,480
duh ryan it's the name of the damn

1638
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,400
school come on i hope i'm not gonna like

1639
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,799
confuse people now with their spelling

1640
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:38,559
of like

1641
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:39,359
no

1642
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,559
it's a wonderful title i honestly i i i

1643
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,240
couldn't look at this film the same way

1644
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,160
without that title now it's forever

1645
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:47,920
linked and we have that witness to think

1646
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,319
i'd love to yeah i absolutely will he'll

1647
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,640
talk at some point too i don't know cool

1648
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,440
man well we have to thank you again i

1649
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,880
know you

1650
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,960
you're just now starting to do the

1651
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,520
interviews films out people are loving

1652
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:04,160
it i highly suggest everyone check it

1653
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,359
out you can rent it again

1654
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,280
aerialphenomenon.com

1655
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,799
um i know there's other plans for the

1656
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,480
film in the future so we'll have to get

1657
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,680
you back on to talk um about that maybe

1658
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,760
there'll be some extended versions and

1659
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,839
whatnot but thank you randall thank you

1660
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,480
for making this film this

1661
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,119
field desperately needed this and um

1662
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,799
again it's going to be the gold standard

1663
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,880
for a lot of these documentaries moving

1664
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:28,960
forward in my personal opinion

1665
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,760
that'd be that would be wonderful

1666
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:34,000
i appreciate it very much guys i really

1667
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,799
do

1668
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,240
thank you thank you thank you we're

1669
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,240
going to let you go and talk a little

1670
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,079
bit here with the audience randall but

1671
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:41,599
have a great night and again

1672
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:44,240
congratulations on the film thank you

1673
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,200
all right

1674
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,510
wow

1675
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,599
it's such a good film

1676
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:54,240
i and again i i

1677
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,599
don't like to like fan out especially

1678
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,960
when we're trying to be objective

1679
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,200
journalists but i mean

1680
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,119
when there's a film

1681
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,079
that deserves praise i think it's it's

1682
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,079
okay to do that and this was one of them

1683
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,160
the last film chrissy i don't know if

1684
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,240
you saw this one um

1685
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,520
it was called

1686
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,920
uh witness to another world or witness

1687
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:17,760
of another world um it was an

1688
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,200
argentinian documentary and uh

1689
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,319
about inexperiencer and it was it was a

1690
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,480
beautiful film and

1691
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,440
watching this i

1692
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,160
it they they're very different i let me

1693
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,480
be very clear about that but that

1694
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,960
humanistic side of it showing the people

1695
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,640
putting a microscope on them how it

1696
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,119
affected them is again like that's what

1697
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,599
i'm about that's my ufology as ryan

1698
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,920
sprague and um yeah this film truly

1699
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,440
spoke to me so

1700
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,760
yeah yeah what'd you think i'm in the

1701
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,319
same boat i thought it was beautiful

1702
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,000
there was a lot of those little nuggets

1703
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:55,839
too that i loved about the way that they

1704
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:59,039
moved and he just shed light on certain

1705
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:00,559
aspects that we didn't know but then

1706
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,000
also showed this like beautiful story of

1707
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:06,400
emily and then just her struggle and

1708
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,599
then her

1709
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,440
her development over time from being a

1710
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:10,960
child to where she is now and that

1711
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,160
amazing art that she has i'm actually i

1712
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,079
believe she might be selling it and i

1713
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,760
forgot to ask this to randall too but

1714
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:19,440
just to plug emily's art i think she's

1715
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,920
selling it at aerialphenomenon.com too

1716
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,000
in their merch shop at one point i think

1717
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:26,319
that will happen yeah so

1718
01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:28,000
please people like take a look at that

1719
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,920
and she lives in toronto and i'm gonna

1720
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,680
see if i can get a piece myself because

1721
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:34,319
i just find it when i a personal fan of

1722
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,039
art and when i look at it in fine art

1723
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:39,520
when i look at it you can tell that

1724
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,480
she's

1725
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,960
expressing so much coming out of her and

1726
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,720
there's a lot of truth to that art i

1727
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,880
feel so it's just it's really

1728
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,359
unbelievable and she's she's wonderful

1729
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,039
and i think that randall just captured

1730
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,200
her essence and her spirit unbelievably

1731
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,160
yeah absolutely and again like i think

1732
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,880
it was very smart to kind of

1733
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,119
take it from one person's journey i'm

1734
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,119
glad there were other witnesses in here

1735
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,240
but emily is kind of the epitome of um

1736
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:08,240
how these events affect you in negative

1737
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,359
ways in positive ways uh going back i

1738
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:13,920
can't imagine that was easy i'm sure it

1739
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:16,480
was closure for her especially when the

1740
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:19,599
teachers like vindicated this for her

1741
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:22,240
and said oh yeah the alien thing yes of

1742
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,440
course and

1743
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,720
meeting with the other witnesses and

1744
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,160
being like i remember this i remember

1745
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,039
this um cross-referencing their their

1746
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,599
drawings together and just

1747
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:33,839
having these moments of just pure

1748
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,559
vulnerability i wish we saw more of that

1749
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,480
in documentaries that interviewed like

1750
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,520
abductees and stuff like that um because

1751
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,039
it's just such a big part of this we

1752
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,039
don't think about what happens after the

1753
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,880
event a lot of the time

1754
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:48,799
right yeah and there's so much trauma

1755
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,520
and i asked randall uh off mike as well

1756
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,200
i asked him you know does

1757
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,599
i felt that in that doc that emily

1758
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:57,520
wanted to go back and live in africa

1759
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,400
like that's what i felt i just i just

1760
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,480
like this calling for her to go back and

1761
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,079
live there and that's maybe the space

1762
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:06,000
that she would stay in and randall said

1763
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:07,039
that was something that she was

1764
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,640
considering after

1765
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,119
so it's you know it's really

1766
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,520
yeah it's so beautiful that he that he

1767
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:15,599
captured all of that and you know and it

1768
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,480
even

1769
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,920
it bled through

1770
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,760
you know to me it did and that's what i

1771
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,160
felt and he captured a very beautiful

1772
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,079
spirit of africa too because africa is

1773
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,839
an amazing continent that a lot of

1774
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:27,920
people you know don't get to go to or

1775
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,480
don't go to or don't know enough about

1776
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,480
in all the different countries but it's

1777
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:33,839
just it's really unbelievable and

1778
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,640
there's so many stories about ufos in

1779
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,559
africa that we just have not uncovered

1780
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,160
yet and i think that randall really

1781
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,000
started that and he will hopefully tell

1782
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,319
more and i really hope he does yeah me

1783
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:46,799
too and you know we shouldn't

1784
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,280
uh be remiss to not

1785
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,520
uh highlight the work of cynthia hines

1786
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,640
the the one of the only ufo researchers

1787
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,039
in africa who was featured in the film

1788
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,440
it was so great to hear from her because

1789
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,119
you're right um

1790
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,760
female researchers specifically their

1791
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,599
voices are often

1792
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,319
not heard and it's very unfortunate and

1793
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:11,119
other countries as well this is a very

1794
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,160
you know

1795
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:14,880
the west seems to have kind of an op

1796
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,480
monopoly on all of this so it's so

1797
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,880
awesome to finally see a case not in the

1798
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:22,960
united states or even canada for that

1799
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:25,599
matter um being highlighted and it's

1800
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,160
very credible and it's very powerful and

1801
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,480
we now have this film to kind of uh

1802
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,799
immortalize that in so much

1803
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,119
yeah and i think it was yeah i agree i

1804
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,720
agree and it's a beautiful body of work

1805
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,400
that i think more people will consume

1806
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,480
over time and it's just the beginning as

1807
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,720
this conversation for experiencers

1808
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,119
starts to unravel people will go back to

1809
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:47,119
this film and reference it i think and

1810
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,000
that's

1811
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,760
you know it's i think you get a cult

1812
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:51,760
following that becomes something bigger

1813
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,440
than it then maybe randall ever thought

1814
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,200
it would be as he gets older as well and

1815
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,440
all of us get older so

1816
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:58,960
let's see what happens in the next 10 to

1817
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,839
20 years or 30 to 50 years right

1818
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,920
exactly when we're 90 what happens

1819
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:06,000
exactly ryan and i will still be doing

1820
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,440
this podcast

1821
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:09,119
yeah

1822
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,910
all right chrissy well hey um i've kept

1823
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,400
you longer than i promised so thank you

1824
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,200
for joining us again as always your uh

1825
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:25,200
your interview was an inspiration for

1826
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,960
this one i'm glad we got to tackle new

1827
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,799
ground with randall and i know he's

1828
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,319
doing a lot more interviews in the very

1829
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,319
near future but you

1830
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,640
are going to be very busy as well can

1831
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,559
you tell us a little about what comes

1832
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,960
next for you you're like globetrotting

1833
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,680
now you're like this famous ufologist

1834
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:44,000
going all over the world i would say you

1835
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:44,880
know

1836
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,119
my work right yeah um

1837
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,440
and also your book too that's also

1838
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:53,520
something else how many books get picked

1839
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,559
up and go oh my god like that oh my gosh

1840
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,559
that is unbelievable

1841
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,880
yeah we'll we'll save that for another

1842
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,480
episode but yes somewhere in the skies

1843
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,839
we'll be taught

1844
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,920
in a college university i can't believe

1845
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,280
i'm saying it it's

1846
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,599
when i saw welcome to 2022 everybody

1847
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:12,000
it's like my friend's amazing he's good

1848
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,960
like

1849
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,280
he's literally going down into textbooks

1850
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,880
i'm like it's just it's unbelievable

1851
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,400
overcoming textbooks i think it's

1852
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,880
amazing i'm gonna outlive myself

1853
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,880
that's all we can ask for in this life

1854
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:25,359
is to uh leave an impression somehow

1855
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,040
some way yeah it's so great

1856
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,719
this week yeah i'll be at the ufo

1857
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,480
disclosure symposium so i will be

1858
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,319
covering all the stuff that's going to

1859
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,560
be going on there with the debrief

1860
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,319
myself micah hanks will be hosting it

1861
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,480
and there is a panel with some unseen

1862
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,799
footage that will be disclosed and we

1863
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,799
will be there covering it and we were

1864
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:46,719
there talking about it so please follow

1865
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,600
along

1866
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,600
uh at chrissy newton on twitter i'll be

1867
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,440
there at being chrissy newton on

1868
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:53,679
instagram but we will for sure be

1869
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,839
covering all of the debris covering all

1870
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,359
of that news and we're really excited

1871
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,719
about it so

1872
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,279
hey for those of you out there who say

1873
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:03,920
there's not stuff still to be seen

1874
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,679
in 2022 with ufos um and i don't hype

1875
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,759
things often but um

1876
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,759
hold on to your butts cause uh yeah

1877
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,279
you're gonna see some

1878
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:15,920
videos and and stuff that you have been

1879
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,920
asking for so i'm excited to um see what

1880
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,159
you guys come up with hopefully we can

1881
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,520
get some um

1882
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,440
some correspondence with you and micah

1883
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,920
while you're over there or shortly after

1884
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:30,799
and talk about what is uh what is

1885
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,040
revealed at this event i'm super excited

1886
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:35,040
for that and um yeah one more time if

1887
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,080
you don't mind where can we find

1888
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,480
everything you're up to yep for sure i

1889
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:40,960
go to uh oh my gosh i forgot the deep

1890
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,359
breath debrief.org my brain decided to

1891
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:45,759
freeze there thedebrief.org twitter

1892
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,880
chrissy newton and then uh instagram uh

1893
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,880
being chrissy newton and that's it and

1894
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,560
then my podcast outside of doing this

1895
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,320
with ryan is rebelliously curious with

1896
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,640
chrissy newton but i'm super looking

1897
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,880
forward to going to utah i've never been

1898
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:01,040
either so i'm just looking forward to me

1899
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,480
either yeah

1900
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,000
maybe i'll be

1901
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,840
walking around skinwalker ranch or

1902
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,520
anything else so just stay tuned there's

1903
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:09,520
some fun stuff coming out so we'll we'll

1904
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:15,990
i'm bringing my cowboy hat that's for

1905
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,800
sure yeah absolutely and we should

1906
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,560
mention also you and i were just

1907
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,880
featured in a panel discussion on the

1908
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,280
congressional ufo hearings so if anyone

1909
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,520
hasn't watched that head on over to den

1910
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,679
of geek on youtube you can watch our

1911
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,480
full

1912
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,560
panel discussion with me chrissy um

1913
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,080
aaron sagers

1914
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:36,880
lee spiegel alejandro rojas and ben

1915
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,679
hansen it was crazy how we were able to

1916
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,920
wrangle this thing together but we did

1917
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:43,760
and we gave our personal thoughts on the

1918
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,840
congressional hearings so yeah please

1919
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,239
check that out at den of geek on youtube

1920
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,120
as well um but with that chrissy thank

1921
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,520
you thank you thank you and uh we'll

1922
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:55,600
talk to you soon that sounds good have a

1923
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,560
good night awesome take care

1924
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,719
and then there was one

1925
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,320
ah i love that i love when chrissy's

1926
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,679
able to join us guys um because she is

1927
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,360
just a powerhouse when it comes to

1928
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,679
interviews and i really do have her to

1929
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,040
thank for a lot of the questions you

1930
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,760
heard tonight and in our past interviews

1931
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,920
and for setting them up like she's just

1932
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,159
so good it's her job it's literally her

1933
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,440
job in life doing pr and she's just done

1934
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,600
an incredible job since she's hopped on

1935
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,040
here it's somewhere in the sky so a

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special thanks to her to randall to

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everyone involved with the film um

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everyone for allowing us to see the

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advanced screeners to um finally getting

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it out to the world again you can check

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it out at

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aerialphenomenon.com to rent right now

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um i know there will be other options in

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the future maybe on different platforms

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um but for now please support randall's

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work he has spent over 10 15 years

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working on this film and i can honestly

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say it has been worth the wait so please

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check that out um

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let's see i'm going to just answer some

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of these questions if i can for you guys

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before we go logan says is there going

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to be bonus interviews released

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um if you're referring to the film i

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believe so logan i believe randall said

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there will be extended cuts there will

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be specials um special features in the

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future but for now um it's just the film

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and again worth every penny in my

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personal opinion uh let's see what else

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you guys have here before we go

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um is it for sale yet yes frank it is

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aerial phenomenon dot com

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let's see relative time differentiation

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in proximity to craft frank yes that is

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a very common thing when it comes to

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these close encounters

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um

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and

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appreciate the interview thanks guys

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thank you

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i really appreciate you guys being here

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um we got some cool stuff coming up on

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somewhere in the skies like i said

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chrissy's going out to utah next week

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for um

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oh man i i can't say much and as much as

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i'd like to um i i just simply can't i'm

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under an nda but you're going to see

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brand new ufo videos in the very near

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future that are going to premiere at

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this event and um a lot of very

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interesting people and analysts to look

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at them and to show you what we're

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looking at what we could be looking at

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and uh what is being displayed so stay

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tuned to somewhere in the skies in the

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very near future and hopefully we'll be

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able to get some of those people on to

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talk about it and check out these uh

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these videos

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that you're gonna be seeing very very

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soon um other than that

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um

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show is available wherever you get your

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podcasts and right here on youtube so

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please make sure you're subscribed click

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the like button on this video and um

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tell a friend

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this topic is more normal than ever so

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you would be surprised how many people

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come up to me every day who have never

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thought about ufos and now are like ryan

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you have something to do with that topic

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right you're like kind of into it and

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i'm like yeah i dedicate about you know

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23

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hours a day out of 24 hours to this

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topic so yeah i do have kind of an

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interest in it so um yeah please share

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it with your friends your family your

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and um let's normalize this topic and

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again that's what this documentary is

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done so check it out

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aerialphenomenon.com check us out at

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